More (rare) mature Alt Right discussion.
Another good Transatlantic Pact podcast.
First, I note that Spencer sounds a lot better when he is on a more serious podcast like this, as opposed to the more American Alt Right Beavis-and-Butthead podcasts. This supports my contention that Spencer would be much better off, and more influential, if he’d jettison the worst, most juvenile, aspects of the American Alt Right.
So, yes, let’s talk about the conditions of the Alt Right and the “optics”- “tough love” and “take your medicine.” So, when is the Alt Right going to take seriously concerns of activists like myself? None of these guys want to engage with our ideas, with the previous generation of activists and the experiences those people have had and the wisdom (if I may use that word) accumulated from such (bitter) experiences. Some of us could have warned you about Jorjani, for example, saving you a lot of time and trouble (and really bad optics). Related to that, it would be helpful for the Far Right to have input from people with a genuine scientific background; in that way, perhaps you guys wouldn’t have been bamboozled by Jorjani’s ramblings, and you also wouldn’t get taken in by HBD pseudoscientific flim-flam.
On the positive side, in this podcast, Spencer makes an excellent defense of the general pan-European concept, and the need to eschew stupid, petty nationalism, as promoted by unhinged ethnonationalists. So, I fundamentally support Spencer in the memetic struggle between Pan-Europeanism (a position I have been promoting for twenty years) and narrow ethnonationalism.
I’d like to point out that there is a difference between national socialism and “Nazism.” The first is a political philosophy, a way of organizing society; the second is a historical manifestation of national socialism reflecting hyper-divisive German ethnonationalism. True, many “movement” Nutzis really are Germanocentric Nazis, but’s let's not confuse national socialism – which could be for the Poles as well as for the Germans or for any other Europeans – with Nazism.
Racial nationalists wanting to have conferences in Europe do need to rethink their strategies, agreed. I’m not sure how to proceed, not exactly knowing the situation on the ground in Europe, so I’m not going to give empty advice. If I come up with any ideas in the future I’ll post it.
The American government banning Andrew Joyce: that's Donald J. Trump as the head of the government. Isn’t that ultimately true?
Spencer’s comments on Ramzpaul – agreed. Spencer’s comments on swastika flags – agreed again. “First, do no harm” – good sense. Racial activism needs to avoid both extremes of “purity spiraling” – agreed as well. Vanguardism important – yes. Avoiding Manichean extremes, yes again. Avoiding past, expired memes – yes.
I’d like to make one minor point. While swastika flags genuinely have nothing to do with America, uniforms and “Roman salutes” certainly do. What about the Silver Shirts? What about the fact the military and para-military units throughout history – including American history – have always worn uniforms? And I’ve been told by older relatives that schoolchildren used to salute the American flag with a “Roman salute” – and that this practice faded away during/after WWII (for obvious reasons). So, I’ll agree that in public rallies, such salutes (for now) should be avoided, but there is nothing inherently wrong or “un-American” about the “Roman salute” – and there’s nothing wrong with such in private and, eventually, in public as well.
And how does one classify chants of “blood and soil?”
And if one really wants to (1) be a revolutionary vanguard and (2) at the same time reaching out to Whites in general, perhaps you need to rethink the whole Beavis-and-Butthead White nationalism model, and also let the moronic "Pepe-Kek" nonsense fade away.